Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction

by Populista, Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 09:53:55 PM EST

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Tonight we saw one of the biggest "gotcha politics" debates yet. The moderators seemed set on destroying Obama by using trivial matters to play "gotcha!" Tonight we also saw why Barack Obama is the right canidate for president. Tonight he showed why he is the right canidate to take on John McCain and the right canidate to turn around our country. Because he fought back by talking about what Americans care about. The issues.

Time and time again the moderators tried to use trivial matters to divide us and time and time again Barack Obama responded by talking about the serious problems facing our country. Health care, Iraq, the economy, the environment. And then they would attack again using the same old right-wing frames.

I think Barack got it right. The American people and the people of Pennsylvania are better then that. They can see through the petty attacks  and they will vote on the real issues. They will see Obama's record and his plan. And that record and that plan is clear.

Barack Obama will pass a comprehensive 100% Cap and Auction Carbon emissions plan.

Barack Obama will make massive investments in energy independence.

Barack Obama will invest in energy efficiency and promote fuel efficiency and alternatives to driving.

Barack Obama voted to eliminate Cluster Bombs.

Barack Obama is opposed to the militarization of space.

Barack Obama has set a goal of the elimination of nuclear weapons, but will not do so unilaterally.

Barack Obama will target and attack those who attack our nation and build alliances with everyone else.

Barack Obama will meet with leaders of foreign countries and rebuild our nation's relationships around the world.

Barack Obama will make sensible reforms to United States policy towards Cuba, allowing more visits and more economic exchange with Cuba for Cuban-American families.

Barack Obama will double United States humanitarian foreign aid.

Barack Obama will pass comprehensive immigration reform in his first year in office.

Barack Obama will stand with Caucus for Priorities for sensible reductions in our military expenditures and reinvestment in our infratructure and our people. Watch this video.

Barack Obama is for portable, opt-out pensions for working families.

Barack Obama is for ready return income tax returns that benefit all Americans who have straightforward taxes.

Barack Obama will eliminate income taxes entirely for fixed income seniors making under $50,000 a year.

Barack Obama is for a Universal Health Care plan that has shared responsibility between Government, Business and Individuals.

Barack Obama is for true net neutrality.

Barack Obama is for transparency in our government and public access to the work done in Washington D.C.

Barack Obama voted for accountability on FISA.

Barack Obama contributed to the effort to reverse the South Dakota abortion ban.

Barack Obama will pay our teachers more.

Barack Obama will create a national service program for college students.

Barack Obama will routinely ask parents to help in the education of their children.

Barack Obama will pass a law banning replacement workers.

Barack Obama has spoken out against homophobia and Anti-Semitism at African American churches.

Barack Obama has spoken in favor of condom use to combat AIDS at evangelical mega churches.

Barack Obama and his wife Michelle took a public HIV test in Kenya to promote testing as a means of preventing the spread of AIDS/HIV.

Barack Obama has made the central internal credo of his campaign be the three words, Respect, Empower, Include.

Barack Obama graduated from Columbia University and went to work as a community organizer on Chicago's South Side.

Barack Obama is a Constitutional Scholar who will promote respect for the rule of law and a return to respect for the Constitution within our Exectutive Branch.

Finally, Barack Obama understands the meaning of the fundamental moral imperatives that underly the politics of our party. (Watch that clip.)

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But while that record and his strong debate performance might have sealed the deal for some people they also might not come out to vote.

We can't afford that.

If you agree with me that Barack Obama should be president then we can't just watch debates and see how well Barack performed. We need to turn that performance into votes by taking action. Calling voters in PA. Traveling to PA for GOTV. Donating to the campaign so they have the resources to win. Writing a letter to the editor saying how well you thought Barack did.

Barack is doing everything he can and he just did very well in the debate. I think we owe it to him to do our share of the work.

He just endured two hours of relentless right-wing attacks from a media that wants desperately to tear him down. The least we can do is fight back and take action!

If you have had enough of gotcha politics. Take action.

If you want real change in America. Take action.

If you want to see Barack Obama as President on January 20th, 2009. Take action.

We can do this but it won't happen if we stay on the sidelines.

Democracy begins with you. Tag. Your it.

GET ACTIVE!

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Yes. We. Can.

MAKE CALLS - TRAVEL - DONATAE




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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 0)

Thanks for the great info!


by venician on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 09:58:49 PM EST

No problem! (2.00 / 4)

We need to fight back!


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:10:12 PM EST
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Re: No problem! (2.00 / 1)

You ought to source something other than HillaryHub if you want to be taken seriously.  Both campaign sites are spin central, but I'm sure you know that, right?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:48:16 PM EST
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he got defensive (2.00 / 1)

this is the first time he's been in the hot seat.
Hillary stays in the hot seat and stays cool under fire.
by internetstar on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:57:35 AM EST
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Re: he got defensive (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton has never had to deal with that.  The worst she had to deal with was the whole question about drivers licenses.  One question.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:42:28 AM EST
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Partisanship is clouding your judgement. (none / 0)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:41:59 PM EST
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Re: No problem! (none / 0)

this sort of sounds like the Bush explanation of 'somebody else' checked the box- will not go to Vietnam because he certaily would have (eye roll)
But if the questionaire is totally handwritten and the gun control thing the only thing that is typewritten...then it's odd to me. I haven't seen it either way and he said tonight one was typewritten. If true- I'd give him a pass- if not then liar liar pants on fire. To me there is nothing wrong with changing your position as you get older and wiser or have different information to base your opinion on. (it's not flip flop- it's common sense)
by Justwords on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 06:26:41 AM EST
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Re: No problem! (none / 0)

Has it occured to you that perhaps he filled out the front page and signed it and someone else filled in the rest of the questionaire?

Remember he signed it.. but the answers were all typed.


**Stop the Drama.. Vote Obama**
by Winterblink on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:30:00 AM EST
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Re: No problem! (none / 0)

Hmmm, I thought Obama already won?  I guess it's not over yet...  


by mddem08 on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 02:55:51 PM EST
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I'm going to Pennsylvania. (2.00 / 3)

And not just because of Obama, but because this was such a piss-poor debate overall. I'm offended as a Democrat.

Hey, Senator Clinton, some people say you're a liar. Senator Obama, some people say you hate America. Please, respond here on live television.

And ABC gets access to the public airwaves for this trash?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 09:59:27 PM EST

Re: I'm going to Pennsylvania. (2.00 / 3)

Olberman is taking them to task right now


by CaptMorgan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:01:51 PM EST
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Re: I'm going to Pennsylvania. (2.00 / 3)

Good. I don't recall any other debate this bad. I think all Democrats should be outraged by this - both of them got trashed, Obama arguably a little more, but she got hit as well.

What a load of complete bullshit. It really is no wonder that people are cynical about politics.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:08:46 PM EST
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Re: I'm going to Pennsylvania. (none / 0)

They should be less cynical of politics and more cynical of the media. That 'liberal' media is owned by the rebublicans and corporate advertisers. They sold us Bush and even a second term for the worst president in history, they sold us the Iraq war, the war on terror, they don't 'report' they lockstep.


by Justwords on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 06:19:02 AM EST
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The October 30 Debate was horrible (none / 0)

but exclusively a hit job against Clinton. It played a big role in crashing Clinton's huge lead in the polls.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:07:00 AM EST
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Re: The October 30 Debate was horrible (none / 0)

Was that the one where she was asked about drivers licenses?


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:43:50 AM EST
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Re: The October 30 Debate was horrible (none / 0)

The "7 out of first 9 questions were 'Hillary Gotchas'" debate:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/11/3/1231 5/8652#readmore

Or read the section called "Special report: Welch's at war!" at

http://dailyhowler.com/dh110207.shtml


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 04:03:24 PM EST
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Of course he would (2.00 / 3)

he has been doing the same thing to Hillary that they did to Obama tonight- for like what- three months?


Welcome to American political reality folks- this is just the beginning.


kudos for fighting back- now you all know why Hillary supporters are so ardent.
by linc on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:32:19 PM EST
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Re: I'm going to Pennsylvania. (2.00 / 4)

bullshit.. when has HRC been asked about Marc Rich, Norman Hsu, the FALN pardons, etc. etc. etc


by CaptMorgan on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:23:19 AM EST
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Re: I'm going to Pennsylvania. (none / 0)

Never.

This is what they think a hard debate is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3qdEXcD9 iw&eurl=http://www.taylormarsh.com/


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:45:56 AM EST
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I think MissLaura said it well (2.00 / 3)

"Given the historically poor quality of the questions tonight, I'm not going to put up the standard post-debate poll about who won. The answer is that democracy and the American people lost. I suppose if ABC sold some ads, they'll feel like they won."

I know that is dailykos but that sums up my thoughts pretty well.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:06:59 PM EST
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She's right. (2.00 / 3)

I learn more from the average - even sub-average - DKos diary than I did from that entire debate.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:12:06 PM EST
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This was already "vetted" stuff (none / 0)

Seriously, this wasn't the media "vetting" anyone, it was ABC dredging up the most specious attacks it could find from the bottom of the internet.

Ten minutes of research could have told them that all of this was pointless.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:01:42 PM EST
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Re: This was already "vetted" stuff (none / 0)

Ah but they did more than 10 minutes of research


by DTaylor on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:19:40 PM EST
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What's your point? (none / 0)

More than 10 minutes of research would have told them that it's even more specious and stupid than they might have originally suspected.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 03:15:15 PM EST
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I am giving another $10 (2.00 / 4)

this debate motivated me to up my total to $85 for Obama.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:04:23 PM EST

Wow! (2.00 / 1)

Thanks so much!

Every dollar counts. We need to send a message!


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:09:03 PM EST
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Ketchup and saltine sandwiches (2.00 / 1)

for Student Guy 'til November.  Your dedication is terrific!  We should all chip in and get you a Ruth's Chris gift cert when Obama wins.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:02:46 PM EST
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Re: Ketchup and saltine sandwiches (2.00 / 2)

Agreed.  I'm in.  Also, I'll meet and double Student Guy's donation tonight.

Further, I'm giving $25 more to the Dem Party.  McCain was the real winner tonight.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:52:39 PM EST
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No fair (none / 0)

I am living on medical student loans and eating box mac and cheese if I gave any more I'd be eating paper and dumpster diving.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 02:23:38 AM EST
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Re: No fair (none / 0)

Switch to ramen.. its cheaper :P


**Stop the Drama.. Vote Obama**
by Winterblink on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:32:02 AM EST
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Re: No fair (none / 0)

I know you're a student, so I made a donatioan for me and two for you.  I made 'em in the name of Student Guy!

Heh, I remember eating instant rice seasoned with chex mix flavoring --- and studying by flashlight when my electricity got turned off.  I hand two roomates bail out, sticking me with rent, which left me short on utilities for a few months.  Eh, college.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:00:09 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate (2.00 / 1)

This is exactly how supporters of Hillary felt in several of the previous debates.


by mjc888 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:05:20 PM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate (2.00 / 4)

Funny...when Hillary was on the receiving end of this treatment from Tweety and Williams, it was simple because she was the frontrunner and she needed to get over it.

Obama is the front runner and this is the first debate since Wright and bittergate broke. Get over it.


by americanincanada on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:21:26 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate (2.00 / 3)

Please point me to another debate where nearly the entire first hour was spent repeating "gotcha" charges against Hillary. Thanks in advance


by amiches on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:51:39 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate (none / 0)

amiches, they've treated Hillary's entire campaign like a ONE-SIDED debate; Didn't you notice it? Oh, my guess is you did not care about it, since Obama was receiving rather positive reviews. If the media picks the presidential nominee, I will not even consider myself a democrat any longer (a 1984 reminder).

At this point, I'm ready to respond to what the primary voters will decide.

If the media's glee is any prediction, I'm planning on sitting this one out, and I hope Obama supporters do not upset enough of Hillary's supporters to vote for McCain.

**If that is the final result, then, McCain will have what Obama lacks: a love fest by the media PLUS a significant measure of traditional democratic voters.**


by Check077 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:03:42 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate (2.00 / 1)

Again, show me where Hillary Clinton has had to deal with anything like that.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:48:55 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate (none / 0)

Dailykos every day.

MSNBC  every day

Pelosi and Dean talking on behalf of the DNC distorting rules every day

MSM saying she should drop out SINCE IOWA!!!

Sniper gate:  She was the first lady, I can tell you there would have been a briefing and snipers would have been mentioned and if they didn't use the safer landing approach they screwed up.  And if she had simply said we needed to change the receiving plans due to the threat of snipers it would have been a true statement.  

When you finally realize how ANGRY part of the Democratic part is at Obama it will be too late but at least you can know it was based on real events.  Your side broke real long standing rules in politics and will pay the price for them.


by DTaylor on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:27:48 PM EST
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Donation is sent in (2.00 / 0)

Wow, George S. is a horrible person, he went after both democrats with glee.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:06:34 PM EST

And Gibson (2.00 / 2)

sounded like he was working for the Club for Growth!


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:09:48 PM EST
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Re: And Gibson (none / 0)

There was a pre-debate thread where I actually mocked the idea that there would be a question about Tuzla, in a sort of "what is there to ask?" way.

"Senator Obama, do you think Reverend Wright loves America as much as you do?"


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:50:13 AM EST
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ABC gone (2.00 / 1)

They will not host a debate for the general after that.  Either democrat would be insane to go on that  channel again


by CaptMorgan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:10:59 PM EST

Anyone (2.00 / 1)

Except total right-wing tools should not go on ABC again.

Honestly ABC is by far the worst network out there. Even FOX is almost better.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:29:01 PM EST
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Re: Anyone (none / 0)

I'll bet you think MSNBC maintains the highest journalistic standards, don't ya?


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:47:20 PM EST
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No (none / 0)

I am personally a big fan of the Real News Network:

therealnews.com

The traditional media is generally crap.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:54:34 PM EST
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Re: No (2.00 / 3)

Olbermann is good.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:13:51 PM EST
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He's great.... (none / 0)

He is very honest that he supports Obama. That's what I'm looking for when I get my news.


by soyousay on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 10:18:37 AM EST
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Re: He's great.... (none / 0)

MSNBC is crap.
Fox is crap

All presidential debates have to pick from CNN, NPR, ABC

I would think
Hillary won't do Fox
McCain won't do MSNBC


by DTaylor on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:30:53 PM EST
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McCain DID MSNBC. (none / 0)

He was on MSNBC on Tuesday with Chris Matthews.  Did quite well.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 03:16:54 PM EST
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Re: He's great.... (none / 0)

When the Republican refuses to associate with a network you know they're spreading the right message.  I haven't seen many ads for McCain in The Nation but I also don't hear many progressives calling it "crap".


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:55:51 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

They certainly didn't show much respect for anyone, not the candidates, not the voting public, certainly not the democratic primary voters of PA. Substance free and full of totally right wing framing. Besides being a big win for the Republicans, it won't change the dynamics of the democratic race in my opinion. We should all give ABC a lot of shit though. And I do think it will inspire a lot of Obama donations, so I guess that is a good thing.


by wasder on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:47:07 PM EST

This is junk... (2.00 / 4)

My impression of the debate was that Obama was terrible. They gave him hard questions and he looked absolutely awful.

What is going on here at MyDD is some sort of organized project to rec up pro-Obama diaries and stiffle any real discussion of the disaster that we all witnessed tonight.

Reality bites. Ouch.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:51:33 PM EST

Re: This is junk... (2.00 / 1)

Do you think tonight's debate was a fair one?


by amiches on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:52:14 PM EST
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Re: This is junk... (2.00 / 1)

Yes.

See... don't you get it? This is what the media does. Fair does not matter. Look at the stuff I have written in the past about fairness and the media. The media is not fair. The Democrate has to be perfect and the Republican gets a free ride. The Republicans OWN the media. Duhhh...

This is just the first taste of... "Obama the front runner."  Clinton lives her life in this space.

He failed miserably, as he will in the general election. Our only chance is to nominate someone who understands this $h#t, and can deal with it!

He is way out of his league. They made him, now they are starting to break him down. They've decided they already have Clinton smashed, and they are beginning to go after him. They think they will still get him the nomination, but that they can now somehow propel McCain safely forward if they start now.

It is a race against time and reality. Running the gauntlet to sell us the absolute worst cr@p, and get three more supreme court justices and screw this country for a century or for ever.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:05:20 PM EST
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Re: This is junk... (1.75 / 4)

"He failed miserably, as he will in the general election." You are full of shit, but what's new?
by jwolf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:40:11 PM EST
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Re: This is junk... (none / 0)

He failed miserably, as he will in the general election. Our only chance is to nominate someone who understands this $h#t, and can deal with it!

How dare you Your  BOSS said it herself he can beat Mcsame "yes yes yes He can win the GE"
Shame on you Mediafreeze SHAME ON YOU


President-elect Barack Obama spent the day thanking the people who helped him win the election. Obama's first phone call was to Sarah Palin.
by wellinformed on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 02:29:37 AM EST
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Re: This is junk... (none / 0)

Show me where Hillary Clinton has ever had to deal with anything like that.  I'm in New York and I've seen every debate she's ever had going back to 2000.  She stammers too, but the moderators don't focus a straight hour on grilling her on scandals.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:52:19 AM EST
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Re: This is junk... (none / 0)

MSNBC
Dailykos
DNC and speaker of the house PR events

Sorry but all your karma is used up.


by DTaylor on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:33:08 PM EST
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Re: This is junk... (2.00 / 3)

Senator Clinton is in bed with MARK PENN who is tied into telecommunications, and engaged in all kinds of foreign trade deals that are basically against everything Democrats supposedly are against.

It is NO ACCIDENT that the questions were a soft pitch for her, and unrelenting with him.  He also got interupted by the moderatetor on nearly EVERY answer, and she got more time.

She lied about Tuzla- that's valor theft, and its been soft pedaled by the media, cause she's a girl. She equivocated and minimized lying.
She's giving you talking points; the real story is what Bill is going ahead and doing to increase their personal fortune; and what she has involved herself with in her long-term association with Mark Penn.

And notice: not even a mention of THAT particular scandal by the "journalists" engaged in this assault on Obama.

Propaganda.


by URKnot on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:14:12 PM EST
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Re: This is junk... (2.00 / 1)

Wow, just wow! You seem awfully bitter.

Actuually, I have always wondered why Obama has not been taken to task about his lies about being conceived during the marches on Selma in 1965 when he was born in 1961. What about that questionnaire he denies ever seeing? And being sent to private school in Hawaii just does not equate with the "raised by a single mother on food stamps" that he puts out there.

Obama just got a slight taste of what Hillary has been going through this whole race.


by mztower on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 02:07:31 AM EST
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Re: This is junk... (none / 0)

I don't hold Obama to task for this. I think it's a fantasy story he was probably told by his mother and father and probably never questioned the accuracy- until it was pointed out to him that it couldn't be true. He hasn't stated it since then.

His mother was single parent for a short period but living with her parents in Hawaii until she married....so she had the support of a good family and was not struggling but I don't think I've heard Obama say that were on food stamps and coming from a Single parent home but that would be incorrect.

Obama AND Hillary got a taste tonight of what Hillary has been dealing with for the last 16 years...It's just that it was more equal opportunity bashing than usual and Obama got his first taste.


by Justwords on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 06:05:17 AM EST
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Re: This is junk... (none / 0)

>>>>> that's valor theft<<<<<

To steal someone valor (or honor) you have wear or claim a medal you did not earn....such as a person who didn't receive a purple heart and says they did. She stole nobodys' valor.

She did fly into a combat zone- and although did not come under sniper fire- sniper fire was in the area in the surrounding hills. Had she been wounded or fatally wounded- she would not have received the purple heart because even as first lady, she was a civlian. Tonight was about the 10th time she has apologized for being wrong about the detailed facts of the Tuzla story and it was Obama who brought the story up when he stated they both had 'gaffes' in speaking  on the compaign trail. Then the debate commentators questioned her more about the 'gaffe' on Tuzla.


by Justwords on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 05:50:44 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 3)

Also quite remarkable how Obama totally gave Clinton a pass when she as much as admitted (for the first time as far as I know) that she LIED. I'm sure none of the Clinton supporters on here will give him any credit for that, but he easily could have drilled her for that, not unlike she did on some of the other things.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:52:50 PM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 4)

He's completely stayed away from the Tuzla story.

Let me repeat that: Obama has completely avoided talking about Clinton's biggest negative news story.

That says something to me.


by Rorgg on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:01:25 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

Except that it's not true.


by miriam on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:49:59 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

Cite, please?


by Rorgg on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:56:07 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 1)

sound of crickets from Miriam


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:07:27 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

Obama doesn't say much of anything himself because he can't throw a punch.

He has team Obama throw his punches for him.

Visit www.digg.com or dailykos.com or even www.mydd.com

Team Obama is throwing punches left and right.

Its not my fault you have don't have a boxer at the top of your ticket.  He sure enjoys watching you guys fight dirty though.


by DTaylor on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:38:55 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

He admitted it tonight during the debate. He says he hasn't said anything and Gibson said but your campaign does and he said yes they do.... this got a few laughs.


by Justwords on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 05:26:22 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

Bully for him for delegating, but his frickin' campaign started it.


by Trickster on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 03:18:31 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

I'm sorry but they did not.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:47:13 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

If you find any media story on it that pre-dates this 3/11/08 memo from the Obama campaign, let me know.


by Trickster on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:53:28 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 2)

It speaks for itself.

And note : there was NOT a single question about Mark Penn, Bill and Colombia.

What an egregiously imbalanced debate.

The O-man rocks.  This did nothing to make Clinton shine; it just shows how very much she is part of the corporte propaganda machine, just like Bush was.


by URKnot on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:08:04 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 1)

Good points. Come to think of it, was there even a question on trade policy at all?


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:43:15 PM EST
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This was garbage (1.50 / 2)

Does G.E. owe the Clintons?
Darn right, the audience was reproaching the moderators.
An insult to voters.
by barnowl on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:03:23 PM EST

Re: This was garbage (none / 0)

It was ABC; they're owned by Disney.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:55:23 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

Tonight's "debate" was definitely a stacked deck.
NOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT MARK PENN'S TIES TO COLUMBIA; HIS CONTINUED INVOLVEMENT IN THE CAMPAIGN; OR BILL CLINTON'S TIES TO THE COLUMBIA;  This is a hell of a lot more important and insidious than "lapel pins" and who someone runs into in a community meeting.

Stephanopolous is HARDLY unbiased, and also just repeats Sean Hannity . . .

MARK PENN's Clients own the media; they also own Clinton and McCain, and if folks vote for them they are just helping the corporations tear apart democracy.  The corporate media are little more than propaganda; we learned it with Bush, now we have to look at the Clinton machine and all their tentacles.

Sen. Obama is the only candidate that isn't tied up with lobbyists and isn't selling out our nation for personal gain.  He is not among the 1%, and a lot of the B.S. being touted by the Republicrat and Republican candidates are flat out manipulations to get the vote for the corporate fiefdom.


by URKnot on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:06:05 PM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

TG for the internet.  If Obama looses the election, I bet the first law the pass is to lose network neutrality.

I'm getting more news these days from the blogs.

It's time to start hitting the sponsors.  We buy their products, and then they support these networks.  

That is the only way, to get involved.


by Kiku on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:32:30 PM EST
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Funny how MSNBC doesn't seem to bother you. (none / 0)


by internetstar on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:00:40 AM EST
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Re: Funny how MSNBC doesn't seem to bother you. (none / 0)

Wake up - the only Democrats who aren't horrified by last night is the Hillaryis44 wing of the party - the 100 or 200 usernames that blog on there and on no quarter.

Yesterday - and I'm an Obama supporter - I laughed at the idea that the moderators would even bring up Tuzla.  Surely they have more important things to ask.  Nope - that's all they care about; that and flag pins.  If you there was a winner last night other than McCain, then you're laboring under an illusion that anything that hurts Obama hurts Clinton.  It's possible - and quite easy - to make them both look bad; just set up a hatchet job and call it a debate.

Ed Rendell today said he was disappointed in the whole thing.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:46:14 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 1)

This is what we (Hillary or Obama) in the general election.  

Tonight, it was the commentators vs. the Democrats.

I thought Hillary and Obama looked pretty good.  Obama looked better at the end, the commentators were relentless in the beginning.

Hillary is really good at the talking points, that is where she excels.  She's done well in every debate.

I was glad to finally hear Hillary say that she would support Obama if he wins the election, it was the first time I've heard it.  After raising McCain over Obama so many times, I needed to hear that.  Hopefully, she'll stop with the McCain business now.

Hillary also came the closest she has to meaningfully addressing the Bosnia issue.  She said she was embarrassed and took responsibility, rather than inventing another story, or blaming the media.  Finally.

What was that question about the lapel pin doing there?  Am I so out of touch with people that I didn't know they will vote on whether a person wears a lapel pin or not?  Especially when not wearing it a statement about patriotism being more than wrapping oneself in a flag?

Why did we not hear about Colombia?  How is Hillary going to separate herself from her husband who opposes and undermines US policy by supporting  oppressive and sometimes murderous foreign leaders?

And what about the economy?  How do they plan to stimulate the economy?  How do they plan to improve our schools.

Affirmative action?  Where did that come from?

Discussion on taxes I thought was fair.  

How about, if you could solve any one problem, what would it be?

I like Obama's position on Chief of staff.  He certainly seemed confident about his role there.

Wierd debate, very discordant.


by Kiku on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:28:34 PM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 1)

Let ABC know how you feel - (you are limited to 500 characters on the form)

I sent them my 2 cents, which is about all it's worth with my sinus headache:

It's hard to describe my disgust for both the content and behavior of Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolis tonight. What an incredible waste of airtime, using up over half the debate on meaningless "gotcha" issues. Gibson attacking Obama's patriotism is directly out of the Republican playbook. I won't be watching ABC in the future - I hope your Republican Hit Piece/Jerry Springer Vapidfest disguised as a debate was worth the loss of viewership that you will suffer.


by jwolf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:36:37 PM EST

Oh, I'm writing to ABC alright (2.00 / 2)

telling them what a great debate!

They can't help it if Obama got his ass handed to him by Hillary!


by SoCalVet on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:42:45 PM EST

Re: Oh, I'm writing to ABC alright (none / 0)

It wasn't a great debate, but it was a much fairer debate than those in the past. HRC and BHO both took the gotcha politics on the back and forth.

Obama is not a good debater or an interview where he has to answer questions, but even he was off his game tonight. He seemed tired, no sense of humor and I don't think he smiled even once. He was more respectful to HRC in this debate than in most- perhaps because they didn't let either have a pen and paper becaue this is the first time I saw Obama actually look in her direction while she spoke. He could learn a great deal from watching how she handles herself.

Clinton is in her element and knows her issues backwards and forwards- she smiled- she laughed and was at ease- she's used to being asked dumb and gotcha questions from the media- so she isn't thrown as much.

But the ABC debate was just a taste of the future debates between the eventual democratic nominee and McCain....who isn't a good debater- but a good interview and they will be playing softball.
I wouldn't write ABC and say great debate.


by Justwords on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 05:13:48 AM EST
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Re: Oh, I'm writing to ABC alright (none / 0)

How was that a great debate??

McCain won and the American people that actually wanted to hear about the REAL issues lost.

Regardless of wether they attacked Obama or Clinton with inane bullshit about tabloid controversies.

1 question about gas
No questions about housing market or forigen policy other then Iraq. Nothing about domestic issues. Barely anything about taxes and the deficit.

The American people lost this debate  


**Stop the Drama.. Vote Obama**
by Winterblink on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:39:33 AM EST
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yeah...and (none / 0)

McCain is gonna win if Obama is the candidate...you just got a preview.


by SoCalVet on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:12:22 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)


by SoCalVet on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:42:52 PM EST

My take: (2.00 / 2)

ABC SUCKS.

These were horses**t questions for the most part.

HOWEVER....Obama seemed weak, disorganized and off-kilter.

Hillary Clinton was  steady, clear and coherent.  She displayed strength and leadership.


by Radiowalla on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:43:33 PM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

This "debate" was ludicrous. But Obama showed what a class act he truly is. I see Clinton's negatives going even higher with her gleeful response. I'm sending another $50 to Obama right now, even though it will strap me a little bit.


by jadegirl on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:10:58 AM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

Bingo.. that's the story the media isn't getting.. the public is tired of this shit.. that debate is going to shoot HRC's negatives through the roof

Obama might actually win pennsylvania now


by CaptMorgan on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:27:07 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

It was nice to see Senator Clinton give some support to her Dem opponent by saying he is electable.

I think her advisers are the problem.  Friend of mine few into PA today next to a notable media type who knows all the candidates (JM is as far as I'll go, it was a personal conversation - you figure it out) who said much the same.

I think in the long run the negative campaigning may well be the breaking of a fever, and as such have its own positive effect.  Such is the way of our messy American democracy, but gosh it works!

-chris

PS - I'm choosing not to engage in filling pages arguing with muck-flinging trolls, so if you got a TR from me you don't honestly understand, email me at chris@blask.org


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:40:29 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

Obama's already had 1 OK. superdel and 3 penn delegates switch to him.. in addition to the 3 that were added yesterday. This morning.. after the debate..


**Stop the Drama.. Vote Obama**
by Winterblink on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:41:22 AM EST
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And I thought .. (1.00 / 2)

And I thought that there was another blog dedicated to such Obama puff pieces like "Obama made my mother piss in her pants because she wouldn't go to the bathroom while Obama was on teevee.." etc. etc. :-)


by ScottinNJ on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:35:49 AM EST

you guys are sure getting nervous (none / 0)

I just don't understand why he's had it so easy for so long.


by internetstar on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 12:58:54 AM EST

Contact ABC (2.00 / 2)

Call the Switch Board: 212-456-7777 and Ask for the Voicemail of George Stephanopoulos Directly.  

Also: dial 818-460-7477 press 2 then 6 then 639

ABC NEW YORK NEWSROOM: (212) 456-5100 newsradio@abc.com Newsroom Fax Machine 212.456.5150

Peter Salinger (THE MAN IN CHARGE OF ELECTION COVERAGE) Director, Special Events & Sports 212.456.5105 peter.salinger@abc.com

Cristi LandesManager, Programming 212.456.5107 cristi.d.landes@abc.com

Wayne Fisk Director, Programming 212.456.5327 wayne.fisk@abc.com

Jeff Fitzgerald Executive Director, Operations 212.456.5554 jeffrey.t.fitzgerald@abc.com

Heidi Oringer Executive Director, Entertainment 212.456.5541 heidi.b.oringer@abc.com

Jon Newman News Coverage 212.456.5100 jonathan.m.newman@abc.com

Joyce Alcantara Assignment Manager 212.456.5106 joyce.a.alcantara@abc.com

Jim Kane Deputy D.C. Bureau Chief 212.222. 6604 james.f.kane@abc.com

Andrew Kalb Executive Director, Programming 05.567.2269 andrew.l.kalb@abc.com

Robert Garcia Executive Director, News & Sports 212.456.5103 robert.garcia@abc.com


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:06:15 AM EST

Re: Contact ABC (none / 0)

Done.

and done.

and done.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:02:26 AM EST
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Re: Contact ABC (none / 0)

Thanks so much for this. I HAVE JUST CALLED ABC AND WILL BE SPREADING THE INFO AROUND THROUGHOUT THE BLOGOSPHERE.


"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 10:21:12 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 1)

Very well researched.

Recced!

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:34:06 AM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 1)

Over 10,000 comments on the ABC message board already.

10,000....in a few hours.

People. Are. PISSED.


by jwolf on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 02:35:49 AM EST

I wonder (none / 0)

how their switch board is holding up.  It seems a lot of people are calling them.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 02:47:16 AM EST
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pffft (1.00 / 1)

"people" are gonna be even more pissed when Obama loses against McCain.

Oh well, pick a weak candidate, what do you expect?


by SoCalVet on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:14:18 PM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

"""Because he fought back by talking about what Americans care about. The issues."""

The biggest issue is whether or not he is presidential material.  And with all his lies, obfuscations, 'misspeakings', etc, it's obvious that he isn't.

Obama is a joke, and will be forgotten in ten years.  


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 03:55:56 AM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

Wouldn't it be funny if you got your wish and people voted based soley on which candidate they thought was more trustworthy?

Find a different line of attack.  Or better yet, stop attacking.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:41:28 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

That would be McCain...

Hillary is the better manager

Obama is the better speaker


by DTaylor on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:46:54 PM EST
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Welcome to our world. (2.00 / 1)

Hillary supporters have been trying to fight the media alone for the last several months. We've had to endure people questioning whether Hillary's voice catching in NH was authentic, whether she's only a senator because Bill cheated, whether she's trying to appeal to racists, whether she's pimping out Chelsea, remarks about how she sounds like a nagging wife, an exruciating examination of a non-issue about something that happened in Bosnia 12 years ago, etc. etc.

While all that was going on, a lot of Obama supporters, as well as the campagin, either stayed silent or urged the media onwards. Complaints from Clinton folks were belittled and mocked--just this week, even, when there was a protest outside NBC.

I sympathize with the Obama folks about the questioning tonight, which seemed to focus way too much on the trivial and mundane. But that the media cannot be trusted and that their unfairness must be challenged at all times should have been obvious before tonight. They should certainly never be encouraged to do their dirty work, as they were by many Obama folks up until now. It seems that some people still don't understand--their reaction upstream is to wish that ABC had asked more silly questions to Clinton, instead of not asking silly questions to anyone.

It's a lesson we learned in 2000 and 2004, and something that Hillary supporters have known for months, if not years. Don't think the media is your friend, even when they're attacking your opponent. They're not.


by OrangeFur on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 06:51:43 AM EST

Re: Welcome to our world. (none / 0)

There's never been a debate where Hillary Clinton has had to deal with anything like that.

What ABC did was take the worst parts of the blogosphere and fire them at the two candidates.  My jaw hit the floor inside 15 minutes.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:05:14 AM EST
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Re: Welcome to our world. (none / 0)

There may or may not have been a single debate like that, but the tone of the coverage for the entirety of the last few months has been harshly negative towars her. I'd gladly trade all of that for 45 minutes of unfair grilling at a single debate.

I'm not saying that Obama didn't get unfair treatment. I'm simply saying it's something that Hillary has been dealing with for a very long time now.


by OrangeFur on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 10:01:38 AM EST
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Re: Welcome to our world. (none / 0)

I... just don't see it that way.  I think there was a period of time when that was true, but it ended about a week after Wisconsin - since then it's been tilted in the opposite direction.

I thought Reverend Wright on repeat for weeks would have dispelled the notion of media bias against Clinton.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 10:14:06 AM EST
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Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

I donated $100 first thing when I awoke this

morning, after last night's "high-tech" lynching

of Barack on the (A)mbush (B)arack for (C)linton

news network. Will be making phone calls today.


"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 09:58:43 AM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (2.00 / 1)

My father just called me - he wants to go down to Pennsylvania and volunteer.

He's a 71-year-old man.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 10:15:23 AM EST

Shameful (none / 0)

This debate made me long for the innocent days of Wolf Blitzer or Tim Russert asking B.S. hypothetical questions.

In some ways I'm glad of what they did, because it's getting out the ridiculous and specious attacks that have been festering on the internet for some time out in the open.  We deal with them almost daily here... but that doesn't forgive Charlie Gibson or George Stephanopoulos for wallowing in those feces when there are literally dozens of important issues that need to be faced by the next president.

Stephanopoulos should not have been tapped for this debate.  His bias was clear: they threw one "gotcha" question at Clinton about Tuzla to say they were "fair," but the majority of his ridiculous attacks were sent towards Obama.  You don't go as hard after your ex-boss's wife as you do the new guy, I'm sure.

As an Obama supporter who still respects Clinton, the hatchet job by ABC is as good as an endorsement of John McCain.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 10:34:28 AM EST

Re: Fight Back! Post-Debate Call to Obamaction (none / 0)

This is just sad. How come you weren't squealing like a stuck pig when Clinton got treated like dirt in all of those NBC debates?

If your candidate can't take what they dished out last night, how is he ever going to survive the Republican attack machine?

Heck, your candidate has his very own tee vee channel (msnbo) and his very own program (edward r. olbermann), and you're still whining? What, exactly, do you expect?

You guys are too thin-skinned